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Open mapping was invented on Maplantis, and as a Maplantian, and now the head admin of Maplantis 2.0, I can tell you that maps that have the original creators name taken off of them are against what open mapping is about. Open mapping gives credit but allows editing so long as no names are removed from the map. Don't call open mapping something it's not, it already gets a bad enough rep from the map stealing that goes on.
Based on is too nice, and does not work in this situation. THE ONLY THING that was changed was the name on the map. No features, no balancing, no new content, NOTHING. It was pure STEALING, plain and simple. The map was unprotected, some strings were edited, and it was repackaged. That's it. That isn't based on at all.
You could say 'This map is labeled as stolen. You can find the properly credited map here.' with a link to the unstolen map on nibbits.
While I agree that maps should be flaggable as stolen, stripped, or rigged, its your word against theirs otherwise.
I uploaded every playable version of Get to da Choppa, and played much of it online with the 'by Ranzear' in the second force name. Everyone knew it was my map from the beginning, but anyone can dig up an age-old defense map from the bowels of some long dead map site, throw their name on it, call it theirs, and someone who knows the map will crop up to say otherwise at some point.
Credit where credit is due is very important, but to be honest: people are assholes and will take credit for something no matter how hard its proven otherwise.
I have 107 working archive versions of my map to prove it though, and with my other map SHEEP HERDER XTREME, I embrace the ideal that someone else can come along and pick up the project.
I can prove that this particular map is indeed stolen. Mp)Peazel who made the map is not only well known but his reputation throughout the community is known so well in part to this map. Anyone whos visited SEN v4 KNOWs its his and who he is.
It isn't my word against anyone/s anyway, because the stealer admitted to what he did on SEN if I recall correctly. No ones denying its stolen, the problem is no one is doing anything about it.
This just should not be tolerated at all. Seriously who's working here? And have you no shame? No pride in your work here? It's sickening. This type of thing would be dealt with in under 24 hours on Maplantis or SEN while here it continues to go on so long the map is in the top lanes of the UMS list.
Well my biggest issue with this whole concept is the word "stolen". I will not label any map as "stolen" or any variation of this word as of what it implies.
As I've always said, Nibbits is designed to be a discovery service. I know this doesn't please everyone, but if your map can find its way around on battle.net without Blizzard removing it, then it's going to find it's way on here without us removing it.
Can we call it Improperly Credited then? And say you can find the Properly Credited map here? SOMETHING to prove we have SOME decency?
Something like that could work. I just want it to properly reflect "this map is based on/originated from X". If we have to have varying levels of that flag we can.
Thoughts?
(On that note, I really have to fix the go to post link so it takes you to the right page)
I think Ex wants an outright delete, and I agree, the fake probably deserves to be deleted/forwarded to the real one.
The big drawback is that it sets a time-consuming precedent. I'm not talking about 1 or 2 maps - I'm thinking about how it scales long-term. It means that every disputed map now has to be objectively "judged" as "stolen". That means we need a specific ruleset, and enough trusted people with enough time to enforce it.
Entirely possible, though.
That's what I'm trying to avoid. Eventually I want to be able to actively watch Battle.net (yes, Blizzard will hate me), and download maps as it sees them so it can rehost them here.